Would You Buy A Watch From A Defunct Brand If The Price Was Right? Here’s What You Should Consider
by Martin Green
As watch enthusiasts, we sometimes have a somewhat emotional attachment to the commercial side of horology, seeing it almost as an organic entity instead of what it is: an industry.
The fact that many brands can generate such strong emotional connections is amazing and also quite important for selling luxury products, which are able to charge a premium on the emotions they create.
Let’s be honest: nobody needs a high-end mechanical watch. That we want one is based on the different levels of how a particular watch appeals to our emotions. And in the heat of passion, we sometimes tend to forget that, as in any normal industry, companies sometimes cease to exist for a panoply of reasons.
This thought seems all the more apropos right now as the industry goes through a rough patch and a correction is taking place.
As in any industry, brands that have been unable to sufficiently insulate themselves, either financially or regarding market position, either have or are suffering.
In August 2017 MCT closed its doors, a high-profile casualty from the independent watch scene. For collectors who own timepieces from these brands, news like this can be somewhat frightening.
Privately owned watch brands do not have to publicly post balance sheets, so it might come as a surprise for clients when they go belly up. This is especially sour when you have just invested a significant amount of money in one of their watches.
What makes it particularly sour, though – apart from the emotional aspect of knowing that you just bought into something that apparently wasn’t viable after all – is that when a brand becomes defunct, it usually has a negative impact on the resale value of its watches.
This happens for several reasons. First, the brand is moving slowly but surely out of the eye of the general public, becoming a fond memory at best, stirred when flipping through old catalogs or coming across one of the watches on eBay or Chrono24.
Next, servicing the watch can become a challenge, especially if it was fitted with unique complications or a complicated movement. Frustrating, of course, as you bought a mechanical watch, and those are meant to last for at least a generation or two, right?
Do your homework
Coping is merely a matter of common sense. Like with any investment – and let’s be frank: for many watches are investments, despite their emotional component – it pays to do your homework.
Quite a few watch brands are part of larger conglomerates that are actually listed on a stock exchange. This means that you can easily have access to their balance sheets, or at least those of the group as a whole.
This won’t be a complete guarantee, as even a conglomerate can discontinue its brands. But even if a brand should be discontinued, the group will most likely continue to service existing watches.
A good example is when Bulgari bought the independent brands Daniel Roth and Gérald Genta in the early 2000s, only to eventually integrate both brands later into Bulgari. This meant that both names ceased to exist as separate brands, but the technology and know-how didn’t cease to exist within the group, so servicing watches by both of these brands has continued.
It is highly unlikely that brands like Rolex or Patek Philippe will disappear anytime soon. That is also why in uncertain times, many watch enthusiasts focus more on these types of brands, which are considered the gold standard of the industry.
Sometimes you don’t want to do your homework or buy a watch from a brand that is considered a “gold standard.” You fell in love with a specific watch, and that is the one you want to purchase.
You should definitely go for it, as this is what keeps many amazing small and independent brands going. You will still have a watch that you love, and there are ways around not having the original manufacturer of the timepiece available for servicing it, though that will take a little homework.
The art of deduction
When it comes to caring for a watch made by a defunct brand, it is first and foremost important to know exactly what is inside the case.
The majority of relatively affordable mechanical watches are powered by ETA or Sellita movements. If this is the case, servicing won’t be a problem and can be carried out by any capable watchmaker.
Decorative components might be an issue, but sometimes there are still spare parts out there, and sometimes minor modifications can be made to at least keep the watch functional.
Quite a few smaller brands take a relatively common base movement from ETA or Sellita and add their “own” modules, providing the watch with a complication. This allows them to stand out, while at the same time keeping cost and resources in check as they only have to focus on the development or acquisition of the module.
Many of these modules have been developed and/or manufactured by specialized companies such as Dubois Dépraz, a Swiss supplier more than a century old.
In that case, your watchmaker may often be able to fall back on them for parts. In the case that the module was developed by the watch brand, it is up to the ingenuity of the watchmaker to see if he or she can find a solution, as with any vintage watch or clock in need of repair.
This can sometimes involve making parts by hand or finding a specialist. Yes, this can be costly, not to mention time consuming, but unless the module contains rapidly moving parts, like a 30-second retrograde indicator, they are in general often of a very sturdy design only requiring the occasional cleaning and oiling.
The manufacture movement
Not too long ago a manufacture movement was what divided the men from the boys in complicated watchmaking. A manufacture movement was an absolute must, also fueled by the fact that the Swatch group was slowly but surely decreasing the supply of ETA movements to third party-brands.
Even if a brand created its own manufacture movement after using exclusively third-party movements, it is possible that it didn’t start from scratch. Many manufacture movements are based on designs from decades ago, and often with expired patents (for example, Hublot’s Unico chronograph movement is, at base, a reverse engineered Valjoux 7750).
This doesn’t make it necessarily easier to get exact replacement parts, but at least a watchmaker has the knowledge to service it.
The more complex the manufacture movement, the more complex the maintenance challenge is: an Eterna Kontiki with manufacture movement displaying only time and date will be easier to maintain than an MCT Sequential with its complex prism displays.
It all really boils down to the same conclusion: make sure that you have a good relationship with a competent watchmaker to help maintain your watches. It will still require a lot of patience and at times significant investment to keep the watch running, but in many cases, it can be done.
When a brand ceases to exist and you own one or more of its watches, it just might be worthwhile ascertaining if this additional effort is something you are willing to put up with in the long run.
If not, you might want to consider selling these while they are still in working order, but possibly wait a bit if you can until the market gets over its disappointment.
As sad as it may sound, sometimes it can also be an opportunity when a brand ceases to exist. Prices of its watches will most likely immediately go down on the second-hand market due to the uncertainty that comes along with its demise.
When Alain Silberstein stopped making watches, for example, prices for his watches in circulation went down quickly only to go up again later on. This secondary market price behavior sometimes resembles the stock market.
While I would not promote watches from defunct brands as golden investment opportunities (which they rarely, if ever, are), they might provide the chance of owning a watch you always wanted at a much lower price.
One word of caution, though, when such a watch descends from a price previously unaffordable to you: you still need to ensure that you can afford its maintenance and care. For more on that, see Why You Can’t Afford To Buy Your Watch If You Can’t Afford To Break It.
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Every watch in this article is ugly & overpriced. No wonder they went bust.
Thank you for that nuanced view, do you have a lot of experience judging the aesthetics and value of watches to be so confident or is it more a gut feeling?
This is an extremely disappointing response.
As you say yourself, Martin, nobody *needs* an expensive mechanical watch. Therefore, the business is entirely reliant on people who *want* an expensive mechanical watch. It’s an entirely consumer-facing industry: the difference between someone buying their first Patek or their first VC could very well fall to better treatment at Vacheron Constantin but if it doesn’t, it likely falls to whether that individual prefers the aesthetics of one over the other. Fundamentally, that’s beauty in a nutshell – a consensus formed of individual opinions.
It’s deeply disheartening that an expert in horology would discount the opinion of an enthusiast in horology because he doesn’t “have a lot of experience judging the aesthetics and value of watches.” Your entire industry depends on people feeling comfortable making aesthetic choices and to forbid a casual observer from describing a bunch of fuggly, overpriced watches as fuggly and overpriced is not only unprofessional but damaging to the trade. If we’re not allowed to think that a $9,000 alligator-skinned Swatch is a business venture in dire need of extinction, we’ll stick to Timex, thanks. Insisting that the emperor has clothes lends you no credibility.
It’s true that the aesthetics of your examples are not the subject of debate. It’s also true that plenty of fuggly, overpriced watches continue to be sold, thereby undermining the argument that aesthetics and price are the sole harbingers of success.
But it’s a small, insecure man that picks a fight in his own comments when someone states the obvious.
Lol you know nothing. These are either independents or high end watches, and these watches focus on being different. It’s stupid comments from uninformed people like you that grinds my gears. Just stick to the known but boring brands if you like. Typical conformist and herd mentality.
Your article misses a crustal point. Many small businesses go bust for reasons other than the product or service they offer. Poor management, debt, and squabbles between partners being major factors. In other words, they were just bad business people and would have gone bust making anything. All industries have down cycles like you mentioned, but it’s the ones that understand and prepare for it that will succeed in the long run. Darwin’s “survival of the fittest” is applicable to everything, big and small.
I am curious about MCT watches. I am trying to look up more information, but cannot find this anywhere that they have gone bust. Are you guys sure that they have closed?
Yes we are sure that MCT has shut down Sidd. If they hadn’t I’m sure that they would have been in touch with us to ask for a retraction.
I had mixed feelings about Bulgari’s takeover and eventual subsuming of the GG and DR brands. Their first attempts at “harmonisation” of the distinctive Genta design ethos was in my opinion very poorly done, losing all of its quirkiness and in doing so, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
However, their recent award-winning Octo watches are terrific, both from the design and the engineering points of view. Something lost, something gained.
I have a Gerald Genta Gefica which Bulgari have kindly serviced for me at very low cost. In fact I simply needed to have the strap replaced, but the service was suggested and I’m glad I took up that offer.
I’m very sad that BLU closed down. Their triple-tourbillon watches were mechanical marvels with a lot of interesting and highly original aesthetic design features.
I agree to this article that sometimes emotions are attached to the watches that we feel very bad when a brand from which we buy all the things gets closed. Else some of the branded watches are available at online stores and you can buy online watch as per your choice.