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The ‘Unknown’ Cartier Tank: The Louis Cartier Jumbo

by George Cramer

The Cartier Santos-Dumont, known as Cartier’s first wristwatch, is the watch that brought the brand horological fame and recognition.

However, no less significant was the fifth watch that Louis Cartier created, the Tank of 1917, which became both Cartier’s most extensive collection with the largest variety of models and its most popular.

One year the Tank Americaine wins in popularity while another year it is the Tank Française, very much depending on what’s being promoted.

The model that’s still going strongest since its introduction almost 100 years ago is without any doubt the Tank Louis Cartier, launched in 1922 and worn by rich and famous like Yves Montand, Warren Beatty, Andy Warhol, Ingrid Bergman, Mohammed Ali, and even fashion designers Ralph Lauren and Yves Saint Laurent.

Even though the Tank Louis Cartier has a fairly small case – the classic men’s model measures only 24 x 30 mm – it remains a very well respected model worn by men (and women) all over the world. It is one of the few small men’s watches that has retained its popularity for the duration of the oversized timepiece fashion.

Louis Cartier Jumbo on the wrist

Louis Cartier Jumbo on the wrist

Ch-ch-changes: from XL to Jumbo

The Tank Louis Cartier has undergone myriad small changes over the years, and has been offered in red, pink and white gold, as well as platinum, and different dial options.

It has even featured a hopeless date window occupying the space where the “3” numeral should be, destroying the beauty and symmetry of the historic dial. Most models have been powered by hand-wound mechanical calibers, often made by Frédéric Piguet, while others had quartz movements.

Next to the classic men’s model, Cartier released a small run of the Tank Louis Cartier XL version in 2006, a watch featuring 30 x 39.2 mm case dimensions. This was followed by an even a larger version in 2012 with an ultra-flat case measuring 34.9 x 40.4 mm, which is still in the current collection.

Cartier Tanks in three sizes: Classic, Jumbo and XL

Louis Cartier Tanks in three sizes: (L-R) Classic, XL, and even larger

These three cases sizes are the main ones to consider if you are interested in a Tank Louis Cartier.

There was, however, another model in the 1970s called the Jumbo, which was larger than the classic size and smaller than the XL. Launched in 1974, the Jumbo came in a yellow or white gold larger case measuring 28 x 34 mm.

Cartier Tank Classic (left) and Jumbo

Louis Cartier Tank Classic (left) and XL

The Jumbo is also the only Tank Louis Cartier equipped with an automatic movement, Caliber 170.

The difference between the Jumbo and other Louis Cartier Tank models becomes immediately clear when the watch is turned over. While the Tank Louis Cartier is known to have a flat case back, the Jumbo has a round thickening that gives away the fact that there is an automatic caliber inside this case with more height than the hand-wound calibers the line usually offers.

Cartier opted for an automatic ETA movement that it re-named to become Caliber 170. That same caliber was also used for the automatic version of the Cartier Ceinture watch.

At first glance the back of the automatic version looks a bit odd, but on the wrist it is not noticeable at all and the watch just looks perfect. What a cool and ideal size this is for those who find the classic size to be on the small side, yet still love the vintage appeal of an older Tank Louis Cartier.

Bubble back housing the automatic wnding rotor of the Louis Cartier Jumbo on the wrist

A “bubble back” case housing the automatic rotor of the Louis Cartier Jumbo

Despite the small bubble on the back, the case of the Jumbo is unmistakably Tank Louis Cartier with its two screws on each case side holding the back tight and the plain, screwless back with the usual engravings and gold stamps.

Spinnel cabochon crown on the Louis Cartier Tank Jumbo

Spinnel cabochon crown on the Louis Cartier Tank Jumbo

As with the majority of Tank Louis Cartier watches, most Jumbos have a normal-shaped spinel gemstone in the crown, like the one pictured above, but some Jumbos have a longer, sharper spinel, which makes the watch perhaps a bit less masculine but more elegant. It’s a matter of taste in my opinion.

Availability of the Louis Cartier Tank Jumbo

I am slightly puzzled as to why Cartier does not use the beautiful Jumbo case size anymore. At SIHH 2018, Cartier presented a good-looking renewed version of the Tank Louis Cartier in yet another case size just a little larger than the classic version at 25.5 x 33.7, but still a lot smaller than the Jumbo.

Side on: Size and thickness comparison of Cartier Tank Classic (left) and Louis Cartier Jumbo

Side on: size and thickness comparison of Louis Cartier Tank Classic (left) and Louis Cartier Jumbo

As Cartier only made a small run of these Jumbo Tanks back in the 1970s, which over the last few years has suddenly gained interest among Cartier fanatics, the pre-owned price of the yellow and white gold Jumbo models has now surpassed the price of a classic Tank Louis Cartier in platinum with hand-wound caliber.

If you’re thinking to go on the hunt for a Tank Louis Cartier Jumbo, there are still some very nice ones on offer. But do your homework first and don’t overpay.

Louis Cartier Jumbo

Louis Cartier Jumbo

The Jumbo is a fantastic-looking Tank watch and great to wear on a daily basis, but it is not comparable in quality with, for instance, the highly collectable Tank Cintrée models.

Quick Facts Cartier Louis Cartier Jumbo
Case: 28 x 34 mm, white or yellow gold
Movement: automatic Caliber 170 (base ETA)
Functions: hours, minutes
Production years: 1970s
Current pre-owned price 2018: approx. €7,000

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38 replies
  1. Jaime Antonio
    Jaime Antonio says:
    April 14, 2019 at 1:10 pm

    Good day,

    Do you know how many units were made of this model?
    I understand that it was a very limited edition

    Reply
    • George Cramer
      George Cramer says:
      October 11, 2021 at 8:50 am

      It was not a limited edition, but a small production. Don’t forget that at that time Cartier did not produce the amount of watches, we’re used to nowadays.

      Reply
  2. George Cramer
    George Cramer says:
    April 14, 2019 at 2:04 pm

    Unfortunately I have no records about the amount of watches that have been produced.
    I guess just a few hundred, since the watches are so rare.

    Reply
    • Andrew
      Andrew says:
      May 11, 2019 at 1:20 am

      I have one: and love it!

      Reply
  3. Christian Jauernig
    Christian Jauernig says:
    November 3, 2019 at 10:28 pm

    Hallo,
    Do you know if the jumbo Tank also comes with a Plexiglas, because mine has one. I saw very few with Plexiglas at the internet but i am not sure if those are replaced ones … Do you have an idear.?
    Thx
    Christian

    Reply
  4. George Cramer
    George Cramer says:
    November 4, 2019 at 7:55 am

    Hi Christian, To my knowledge Cartier did not use plexiglass. You can have it replaced if you prefer the original. Best, George

    Reply
  5. Hans
    Hans says:
    November 24, 2019 at 4:52 pm

    Thank your the nice review George. Would you happen to know why some Jumbo‘s have Paris on the dial and others Swiss? Are both authentic and contemporary, or is one perhaps a (later) service dial? Similarly, I have seen seen a few with Cartier in the thin leg of the VII and others that do not have this. Thanks, Hans.

    Reply
  6. GEOrge Cramer
    GEOrge Cramer says:
    November 24, 2019 at 8:15 pm

    Hi Hans, Both versions are authentic and contemporary and the secret signature was introduced in 1977.
    I do unfortunately not know when exactly Paris, Swiss, Made inFrance were used.
    There are even two sizes, the common large one and a rare smaller version, a fact that I only found out recently.
    Best, George

    Reply
    • Andrew Fletcher
      Andrew Fletcher says:
      October 10, 2021 at 7:04 pm

      Thank you for this fascinating piece. I have one of the smaller versions, and it is joy to wear. The number on the case is “170110416” – is this a serial number, and can one date watch from this, I wonder. It seems very strange that Cartier decided to end production. Do you have any insight into the reason for this?

      Reply
      • George Cramer
        George Cramer says:
        October 11, 2021 at 9:02 am

        Cartier always ends every series after some time. Sometimes after a few years, sometimes after a year. Do not forget that La Maison has a huge range of models, that need to be released every now and then. This keeps the collection alive and exclusive. It is hard to track the year from the number on the case, at least I do not know how to proceed.

        Reply
  7. Bruno de Gevigney
    Bruno de Gevigney says:
    December 11, 2019 at 6:47 pm

    Hallo,

    I own a « small » Jumbo tank Cartier automatic.
    The measures are 33,5×25,5.
    It is very fine…
    Regards.
    Bruno

    Reply
    • George Cramer
      George Cramer says:
      October 11, 2021 at 8:57 am

      The smaller version of the Tank Louis Cartier Automatic is a very rare watch.
      I have only seen it on pictures. Treasure it, it is beautiful!

      Reply
      • Richard
        Richard says:
        October 13, 2022 at 2:03 am

        I managed to pickup one of the small versions this year. It’s a beauty, and heck of a back story. Wishing there was more information out there on these puppies.

        Reply
  8. Rolf
    Rolf says:
    July 25, 2020 at 6:38 am

    Thanks for this wonderful review and the very good questions and their answers. Regards. Rolf PS: Is there any advisable book about the history of the tank?

    Reply
    • George Cramer
      George Cramer says:
      October 11, 2021 at 8:55 am

      Yes, Rolf, there are three books about the Tank watch by Franco Cologni. The first one is the best, but that is out of print now and can only be found second hand.

      Reply
  9. George Cramer
    George Cramer says:
    July 25, 2020 at 9:05 am

    Thank you Rolf, good to hear that you enjoyed the read.
    The best book on Cartier Tank watches is: CARTIER THE TANK WATCH by Franco Cologni. Make sure you get the first book ISBN: 2-08013–633-6. The second book by the same writer is very commercial and does not have all the vintage details that you find in the first book.

    Reply
  10. Larry Schechterman
    Larry Schechterman says:
    August 30, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    George did these tanks only come with enamel dials? I am considering one that looks all original but I don’t believe the dial is enamel. Thanks

    Reply
    • George
      George says:
      August 31, 2020 at 8:28 am

      Hi Larry,
      To my knowledge the dials were enamel, I have never seen a Tank LC Automatic with a guilloche dial, but with Cartier we never know for sure. I would love to see a picture.
      George

      Reply
  11. Allen
    Allen says:
    September 29, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    hello
    the jumbo is made of gold or just gold plating?

    Reply
    • George Cramer
      George Cramer says:
      October 11, 2021 at 8:52 am

      This Tank Louis Cartier Automatic was only produced in 18K yellow- and 18K white gold gold. Vermeil watches were produced in the Must de Cartier series.

      Reply
  12. Brian Mumford
    Brian Mumford says:
    November 9, 2020 at 6:51 pm

    Interesting read. We recently received a Vintage Cartier Stepped Tank Jumbo 15716 measuring 28x38mm which is bigger than the 1970s Tank Louis Automatic. Do you know if this model is listed in the Franco Cologni book? Or do you maybe have any knowledge about this specific model. I always thought that the Tank Louis was the only Jumbo issued in the 70s?

    Reply
    • WatchTalk
      WatchTalk says:
      January 19, 2021 at 2:02 pm

      Cartier Stepped Tank is a 1973-76 pre-must model. See watch review link for more info. https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?487735-1970s-Cartier-Pre-Must-Ghost-watches!-Cartier-Stepped-Tank-Jumbo-etc

      Reply
  13. Saliem Ahmed
    Saliem Ahmed says:
    December 1, 2021 at 11:23 am

    I hv found a Cartier Tank in my late Dad’s Jacket pocket… it has no straps.. can I send u a picture so that u can advise me accordingly.. many tanks 🙏👋

    Reply
    • Chris
      Chris says:
      June 7, 2022 at 3:02 pm

      Post the numbers on the back of the watch, minus the last 2 or 3 digits of the serial number (if you are worried about it). I’m sure we’ll be able cross reference the numbers and tell you what it is.

      Reply
  14. George
    George says:
    December 1, 2021 at 2:58 pm

    I just sent you an email.
    George

    Reply
  15. Koray
    Koray says:
    June 5, 2022 at 12:45 pm

    Hello, I have a jumbo automatic Tank and the dial has Paris with the secret signature within the VII. Could this be a service dial (later replacement), because I have not seen another example of a jumbo automatic Tank with a secret signature !

    Reply
    • George Cramer
      George Cramer says:
      June 5, 2022 at 3:15 pm

      The secret signature was introduced in 1977, while the Tank Louis Cartier Jumbo,
      was released a little earlier, in 1974.
      Of course, I am not 100% sure, but I think you have just one of the later models produced.

      Reply
  16. Chris
    Chris says:
    June 6, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    I am super excited !! I just bought a Tank Jumbo from 1975 with Deployment Clasp …should be here in 2-3 weeks.
    Can you tell me how many jewels the Caliber 170 has?

    Reply
    • Eric
      Eric says:
      April 9, 2023 at 5:46 pm

      How much did you buy it?

      Reply
  17. Mike Kelly
    Mike Kelly says:
    September 12, 2022 at 5:50 pm

    George,

    I just picked up a 1701 from a dealer in Germany. It did not come with a deployment clasp instead came with a Wempe traditional strap clasp. Should I look for a deployment clasp or a Cartier clasp ?

    Love your writings on this watch

    Mike

    Reply
    • Ols
      Ols says:
      September 29, 2022 at 8:30 am

      What are the small jumbos going for these days?

      Reply
      • George Cramer
        George Cramer says:
        September 29, 2022 at 8:44 am

        The small Tank Louis Cartier Automatic (or Jumbo) is even rarer than the regular model.
        I have seen it only once, about three years ago.

        Reply
  18. George
    George says:
    September 12, 2022 at 8:01 pm

    Hi Mike,
    Congratulations! It’s such a good and different Tank Louis Cartier.
    The choice is yours; I prefer a Cartier folding buckle, but a Cartier pin buckle is may be easier to find and easier if you would like to change straps.
    George

    Reply
  19. George M
    George M says:
    February 5, 2023 at 3:31 pm

    Hi George. one is being offered to me in good condition but needs an original crown. I don’t know where to start in being able to source one. I want to bring it back to its original condition. Do you have a recommendation, or does anyone, of a good vintage cartier watchmaker?

    Reply
  20. George
    George says:
    February 5, 2023 at 3:54 pm

    Hi George, congratul;ations, that’s great news.
    The crown is not a too difficult detail to replace and the Boutique can certainly help you,
    getting the right model.
    Please keep us posted.

    Reply
  21. Stewart
    Stewart says:
    March 29, 2023 at 10:31 pm

    Hi George, thanks for a great article. I have just been lucky enough to purchase a 28mm Tank Jumbo which has its original purchase receipt, warranty card and several service history documents of Cartier services. Its a Paris dial and was purchased in 1976. I am puzzled that it came in a Cartier Must de Cartier box. I wondered if you or any other owner might know if that is its correct box as I thought the Must branding was for the cheaper watches? Many thanks

    Reply
    • Carlos
      Carlos says:
      February 15, 2025 at 1:30 pm

      Hi Stewart,

      What is the length of your watch?

      Reply
  22. Carlos
    Carlos says:
    February 15, 2025 at 1:29 pm

    Hi,
    Great article about the Tank. I learned a few things I didn’t know.
    I am confused a bit about the size of the Jumbo. I have a gold Tank, Paris, Automatique but the size is 28mm x 35mm, not 34mm. The serial # starts with 17002

    Reply

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